Firmware “fix” killing batteries?
Ever since Apple released their firmware “fix”, I’ve been concerned about how exactly a firmware patch could repair what is a widely confirmed hardware issue. (And I’m not the only one; see http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=193402956)
What worries me is the probability that all the firmware patch does is tell the Power Management Unit to ignore all aberrant signals it receives, including the infamous one that must be generated when the heat sink expands and metal-to-metal contacts that wire. What if the patch has crippled the PMU so it continues drawing from your nearly-empty battery when it should not?
Li-ion batteries have a cut-off point after which they will essentially refuse to accept any charge. A system using Li-ion batteries should shutdown your computer before it passes that point. Well, not long after installing the firmware update, my battery is no longer recognized, displaying an “X” in the menubar indicator and “No batteries available” in the menu. Googling for “no batteries available” +macbook finds way too many hits to make me comfortable. If this is the cost for that so-called firmware update, it is WAY too high because as soon as my 1-year-warranty is up, needing to purchase a NEW battery to make up for Apple’s shoddy engineering will really, really, tweak me off.
Has anyone else experienced a murdered battery? I am currently on a Thanksgiving vacation and allowed the machine to completely power off for the last couple nights while watching DVDs. This is no different than the process Apple outlines in its own manuals for calibrating the battery. Everyone should be aware! Or, perhaps, try and force this yourself BEFORE your warranty period ends.
November 22nd, 2006 at 3:53 pm
I think you’re right.
November 22nd, 2006 at 6:08 pm
Well I didn’t have any problems before the FirmWare update, but after… I lost my 3-3,5 hours of batterytime to 30 min and I get the low power warning after ten. Why me!
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:14 pm
I do not understand.. You say after a point the battery will refuse to accept any charge.. This would suggest that you are charging the battery at this time does it not?
I have had both RSS and battery issues with my macbook in the past, but I believe they have been unrelated and are both fixed for now.. So I am not trying to defend anything, just trying to get to the bottom of this..
Also, having worked some with Li-Ion powered applications, this is what I understand these systems typically do:
a) There is both an upper and a lower limit on Li-Ion batteries..
Upper Limit: Once charged above a certain level, they stop accepting charge and this is a safety feaure that prevents overcharging and possible overheating.. When
Lower Limit: Once discharged below a certain level, the batteries lose voltage very quickly, and sometimes unpredictably.. This is not a feature of the electrical load, but of the chemistry of these cells.. Depending on how safe you want the device to be, it shuts down/goes to sleep well before this low level is reached…
b) Unlike other rechargeable technologies, Li-Ion voltages are very steady over the working range.. This means that it is not easy to figure out how much “juice” is left in the system based on the voltage alone.. Therefore, most modern systems utilize battery calibration systems: counters that keep track of charge going in and out of the batteries.. These circuits are built into the batteries, and need to be routinely re-calibrated by cycing the batteries from full charge to fuly depleted states..
Before you can conclude that the firmware is doing something to the batteries, lets try to find out if the macbook is suddenly consuming more power than before, or is it something else?
-rs
November 22nd, 2006 at 8:58 pm
@RICHARD:
\”This would suggest that you are charging the battery at this time does it not?\”
No, it does not. (from above:) …after installing the firmware update, my battery is no longer recognized, displaying an “X†in the menubar indicator and “No batteries available†in the menu. As much as I would LOVE to be charging the battery in any way, shape, or form, no Macbook will give it love. The MagSafe connector LED is always green whether or not the battery is in the machine, and without it connected the machine instantly dies.
If a Li-ion battery is stored with too low a charge, there is a risk of allowing the charge to drop below the battery\’s low-voltage threshold, resulting in an unrecoverably dead battery. [from wikipedia] Whatever the root cause, my Macbook allowed my battery to drop below this low-charge threshold. It happened under entirely normal use, watching a DVD as I went to bed… which I\’ve done numerous times before and the only thing that is different now is the application of that firmware patch.
November 22nd, 2006 at 9:39 pm
I just tried a full discharge an hour back, with no negative consequences.. And I have had the latest firmware updates for some time now, but this is the first time I ran the battery down till it went to sleep with 0% battery remaining.. worked normally.. I intend to run some more tests, specifically trying to measure power consumption etc to see if anything measurable has changed since the firmware updates..
I did have a battery problem with my Macbook in August.. the battery simply shut down in the middle of work (with about 50% remaining charge).. same symptoms as yours. Pressing the test button on the battery did not light up any leds at all..
I would also try resetting the PMU, although in my case it was the battery..
November 24th, 2006 at 4:24 am
This just happened to me - same thing. I had the firmware fix installed. Drained my battery till it slept automatically, then left it unplugged for a day or so (until the laptop went into hibernate) - came back to plug in the computer and start up and get the “No batteries available” message.
Somewhat frustrating as I’m in the middle of my vacation & won’t be able to get the battery replaced til I’m back. I have one of the very first MacBooks, if that makes a difference.
November 25th, 2006 at 12:53 am
After the firmware update, initially my battery won’t charge (the MagSafe night kept green). Then I started getting random shutdown problem (whether with AC or battery power). Ugh!
November 25th, 2006 at 2:23 pm
This same problem has happened to me. I upgraded the firmware and then eventualy let the battery die until the computer shut down. now I get the X and No Batteries Available. The green light is on when its plugged in but it wont charge the battery. I am going to try charging the dead batt in another computer too see if the batt is ok, but I am thinking this has to do with the logic board from what I have read.
I recently had the logic board replaced on the MacBook as it died and fried my hard drive. When I got it back and installed a new drive all seemed okay. They even replaced the discolored plastic.
This computer would really be a great machine if it would just stop breaking on me all the time!
November 26th, 2006 at 8:59 am
I had battery problems before the firmware update (and indeed before I was aware it was RSS). After I took it to the authorised centre they replaced the battery and there’s no problems recognising it but, yeah, it now lasts about an hour if I’m working on it constantly without being connected to the mains.
November 27th, 2006 at 4:10 am
This just happened to me now too… I get a x and “No batteries available” on my macbook. Is there any recourse with apple since this thread seems to claim it is the result of a problematic firmware update?
November 27th, 2006 at 4:23 am
I dunno if the firmware update is the cause of the problem in Macbooks or not… that’s whyI posted this to begin with — to see if there was anything to the theory. And it certainly appears there is, since at least 4 of us now have had this just happen. I don’t know at all if there is any recourse with Apple: It happened the day after I left for thanksgiving break and have just had to carry my MacDoorstop around with me. But one thing’s for sure: if it happens once, it will happen again… only next time, or the time after that, it will end up being not under warranty and I’ll have to shell out $130 to get it “fixed”. That is not OK with me — that is, in fact, a LEMON.
November 27th, 2006 at 9:12 am
I have been having no problems with the MacBook until three days ago when the battery indicator went to “X”. Similar to others, the power adapter would would but always be green and would/could not charge the battery. I tried installing the firmware update and the entire computer crashed and now is dead. The Apple Store in Tokyo is now repairing but I am worried about data loss. This is so surprising. I have never had any major issue with Apple (since the IIc) but this is vexing and soooo Windows-like. HELP!
November 27th, 2006 at 3:29 pm
Here is another post relating to this issue…
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=204889
I don’t really want to send my macbook away
November 27th, 2006 at 8:09 pm
We have the same problem. Our 15” macbook pro is two months old and I’ve been carefull to calibrate the battery as they suggest once a week or so. The other day I was using the computer and found it strange that the battery was 100% charged after not having been plugged in, today it isn’t recognising the battery at all. We have tried all suggestions we could find online with no luck… Battery icon has a big x in it. Obviously tomorrow I will go to the local store to hopefully get a new battery, but I have also read several comments suggesting it is a problem with the logic board. I really hope Apple come up with a fix - this is an expesive piece of equipment and it really needs to just work!
November 28th, 2006 at 1:50 am
same thing here, my battery was working very reasonable for about 6 months, but just yesterday the battery will not charge at all, and the second i unplug the thing it shuts off, im pissed. i take this thing to school everyday, so i have to plug in for each class.
November 28th, 2006 at 1:20 pm
I updated my firmware to help the RSS problem with my MacBook only to find my battery is not functioning. The battery shows that it is fully charged and yet when power is disconnected the computer shuts down. The MacBook acts as though the battery is not present.
November 28th, 2006 at 11:47 pm
Well surprise surprise. I thought I was the only one. Same problem. After the firmware update, my battery indicator constantly shows 95%. Coconutbattery shows that there is charge in the battery but it is not charging. Also all the lights light up when I press the check button. However, as soon as the power plug is pulled, my Macbook Pro shuts off. In addition, it won’t start on battery alone. Arggghhhh!!!!!
November 29th, 2006 at 1:42 pm
Has anyone tried recharging their dead macbook battery in another macbook?
November 29th, 2006 at 1:55 pm
@ MICAH:
Yes. At least for those of us with the unrecognized battery (X in the menubar), no other machine will charge the battery, but our machine WILL charge another machine’s “good” battery. I had the Apple guys themselves do it in front of me so they’d believe me.
November 29th, 2006 at 4:02 pm
Me too. Originally the problems was that the power supply indicator was showing red while the battery charge was at 100% (like before the battery recall). Call to Apple suggested I recondition. Reconditioned, would not recharge, now “No batteries available”. This also means that processor is stuck at 1 Ghz, which makes for alot of fun. Brought to authorized repair center yesterday, they were ready to send it in, but I need to backup first.
Absolutely NO problems before the SMC update.
Incidentally, System Profiler still reports SMC Version: 1.2f10.
3 months to go on 1 year of hardware support. Since I am sending it in, I think I will have them work on the eject button (crooked) and the grey line that appears through the top menu bar.
I share your frustration, exactly though - what happens next update.
Seriously considering AppleCare - at least I get an Educator discount.
December 4th, 2006 at 4:11 am
This JUST happened to me as well…. Left my MacBook in my backpack in hibernate mode for about 2 days… no big deal, right? Plugged it in and the mag connector stays green… same story as everyone else here, “No Batteries Available”. I’m taking it back to the Apple store tomorrow, as I only purchased it about a month ago. Maybe it was the latest firmware update?
Chris
December 5th, 2006 at 6:47 pm
Yep! Dito to what everyone has said before me…this sucks so much….I was already having probems with my macbook before this happened….it would randomnly shut down on me, battery wouldn’t last long, or wouldn’t charge all the way to 100%, so I called the MAC support 1-800 number, and in the end I basically had to back up all my crap and reinstall my MacOSX….that did help my randomn shut downs, this was about a month ago. But now only 2 days ago, I let my battery run low so it went to sleep, and now, it won’t turn on unless power adapter is plugged in. The magsafe light is green, but the little battery icon remains with an x on it, saying no battery available!!!! UGHH!! this sucks!!!! …and next week I leave to go back home on a 5 hour plane trip, and I would like to use my macbook on the plane…but well…this is so frustrating…I wish there were a solution to this.
December 9th, 2006 at 7:30 pm
personally, apple WILL recall these machines eventually. It’s just a matter of time. As for ANY software update - I JUST bought a macbook as an xmas gift and I will NOT upgrade any of the firmware and do NOT update my operating software once it is properly working. I own a power book G4 and every time we used to upgrade the OS we’d have problems logging back into the keychain to use the pwd protected network in the house.
The old axiom is that if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. If you have a working macbook without anything melting - then you will sooner or later get the RSS. If your OS is working 0 DON’T change it. If the firmware is working properly DON’T CHANGE IT.
Let the lawyers deal with the RSS issue - they will and in less than a year Apple will need to fix the old ones - just like the iBook logixc board issue.
December 11th, 2006 at 4:31 am
Just happened to me after installing the firmware, left it a few days in “sleep” mode….now it does not recognize my battery. I push the button on the battery, it blinks with one dot. and my plug is green all of the time. Oh this is going to be ugly. I have had it only 60 days…but with the holidays and all, this is the last thing I wanted to do.
December 11th, 2006 at 4:53 am
I also see the x, and my battery is not reccognized. I have a seccond battery that works. I have a MacBook Pro 1.83 with the latest security update.
December 13th, 2006 at 7:04 am
Just another me too - the last couple of weeks (I guess since the update) the battery icon flipped to an X a few times and now is on X pretty much all of the time with ‘No batteries available’ - sometimes it does still show a % charge though. I get no shutdown warnings even when the % charge is showing, and it shuts down at anything under about 25%. However it does charge up in my laptop. coconutBattery can’t find it either.
This sucks, just before Christmas and I’m moving house too.
December 14th, 2006 at 6:22 am
So anyway I just took my laptop to the local Apple Store Genius Bar & told them that my battery was dead. Dude confirmed it and a minute later I had a new battery - easy.
December 15th, 2006 at 3:25 pm
I think I have some new facts that would support the firmware problem theory.
I have the same problem as well - I’m on the third battery now with my MBP17, and now it has “died” again. Apple wants to see my machine, but I need it every day and they don’t give a replacement machine. So what I did last time was to buy a replacement battery out of my pocket, so I could continue working. Now that this battery was suddenly not recognized any more (after having 100% charge, and using the MBP for just 3 or 4 minutes on battery, then putting it to sleep), I wanted to know exactly what is going on. No more guesses about “drained to death”, I wanted hard electrical facts. So I opened the battery and measured the cells.
And - BIG SURPRISE - All 6 cells are PERFECT, have 4.17 Volts (4.2 is completely full) and can deliver current (I tested with a 30 Ohms load resistor and got the expected 140mA). This means that the battery itself was not “drained to death” or something. It’s fully charged and all cells in fine shape.
But when pressing the test button, none of the LEDs will light up. And there’s no power at the battery connector. So its DEFINITELY something in the battery electronics that is not ok. It refuses to switch on power onto the connector.
To me, this very much looks like a battery controller firmware bug. It simply crashes, probably while communicating with the SMC, and from then on is not responsive any more and keeps power off. Most probaby, there’s simply no way to recover from that crash - because it is powered from a 68Wh fully charged battery. I’d almost bet that these “dead” batteries would recover once self-discharge brings them down enough to make the the battery controller reset. But this will take months to happen.
I did not believe that this could be a defect in the MBP in the first place, and with these facts at hand I definitely don’t buy that explanation any more. There’s no way how a hardware defect in the MBP could cause that in a battery - and then work flawlessy for months with a new battery. But sure there are ways to crash the battery controller software wise, and that’s what I think happens to many MBP and MB users likewise.
I hope I can make Apple believe that as well, and make them fix the SMC firmware to work around that bug that is essentially in the battery, Or send me a new battery every month at no charge
December 16th, 2006 at 12:45 am
I received my new battery, and it works…for now. Hope they find the bug soon.
December 16th, 2006 at 11:53 pm
I tried to calibrate my Macbook and after letting the battery run down until it went to sleep and then leaving it unplugged for the next 5 hours, i plug it in and find that there are no batteries available. Tried to reset the PMU and nothing worked. Now whenever it is unplugged it just shuts off automatically, so looks like i’m going to be living near power outlets until this gets fixed. I’ll try talking to apple and see what they say.
December 17th, 2006 at 10:55 am
@Andrew
What happens if you press the charge check button at the battery? Any LEDs?
Again, I think this can’t be the battery really drained to death, because 5 hours on sleep is not enough for that (even if I’d not recommend running down the battery AND then leaving the MB unplugged afterwards). It’s most probably the battery electronics that fell into a state where it does not communicate with the MB power management any more and therefore the battery is not recognized. I’m sure there is some trick to reset the battery electronics - after all when producing these batteries, they have to initially reset the electronics somehow. But I haven’t found any hint how this could be done…
December 18th, 2006 at 3:54 am
I have the exact same problem.
I was one of the first to put my name on the waiting list for a Macbook (Black). I had my initial jitters about a first-gen Macbook but my friends (if you call them that), convinced me that with the Macbook Pro, being the first MacIntel, there shouldn’t be any problems because technically it’s not exactly first gen.
Got my laptop and after just one month, I’ve been going back and forth from the Apple Service Center. This is probably my ninth time. And my battery has displayed an X on it, simply refusing to charge. This happened after I made it go to sleep with 10% charge left, and left it there for half a day. I’ve pressed on the battery check button on the battery unit and there isn’t a blink from the lights. It could run out of the MagSafe charger, but would simply shut down if i plugged it out. It’s NOT CHARGING! Argh, another trip to Apple Service? I feel like I live there!…
I think the Firmware update screwed things up. I am not into my sixth month of ownership. Halfway through with the initial warranty and this is forcing me to buy AppleCare. Plus, being a journalist, I need a computer that’s reliable to work on, anywhere and on long hours. This Macbook is not cutting it.
How much do you think is a reasonable price to sell off a 6 month old Macbook Black?
December 18th, 2006 at 4:00 am
‘I think the Firmware update screwed things up. I am now into my sixth month of ownership. ”
I would but another Macbook Black though, I like it very much. Just wish they’d iron out all these bugs!
December 18th, 2006 at 7:47 pm
I did some more research with my battery. I found what chipset is used (Texas Instruments bq20z80 / bq29312APW) and from the way the battery works (from the TI datasheets: more or less completely autonomous) I’m not so convinced any more about the firmware theory. From my current analysis I think that something in the battery electronics, most probably the SMBus drivers, were actually fried. But why? I tried to remember the occasions when the batteries died. What was special? One thing. I used the MBP on different surfaces than normal. One time it was our sofa with wool fabric, the other time I had to test something and put the laptop onto the floor - onto a synthetic carpet. All other use was on my wooden table in the office or the wooden table at home. Hmmm. Electro static discharge (ESD) comes to my mind. What if the battery design has simply a ESD weakness? Wool and synthetic carpet are both likely to generate electrostatic charge.
Of course, some data from others with suddenly died batteries would help to support or invalidate that theory.
December 18th, 2006 at 8:31 pm
Luz
The led’s on the battery are all out except for the very bottom one flashing green. it has to be holding some charge, but it can’t fully. I talked to the guy who services them where i bought it and apparently it just needs a new battery… i’ll keep you posted.
December 19th, 2006 at 10:13 pm
@Andrew
That sounds reasonable from your description how you discharged it. But it also shows that it’s not the battery cells that are dead, but the battery controller. Mine has two leds on, meaning something like 40%, way enough to power the MBP for an hour or so. But the battery does not want to switch on that power.
BTW: Apple replaced the other battery today. My MBP now works fine on the new battery :-). I’ll be very careful what surface I put the MBP on.
December 23rd, 2006 at 9:08 pm
My wife’s MB has exactly the same problem… too bad I won’t be able to replace it until after the holidays :/
December 25th, 2006 at 5:29 am
Add me to the list. I bought my Black MacBook a couple weeks after launch and discovered my battery was dead tonight. Same symptoms as everyone else.
Going to the Apple Store on the 26th to get a replacement is not going to be pleasurable.
December 26th, 2006 at 1:06 am
White Macbook, purchased around April or so. Stupidly installed the firmware fix over the xmas break - thought it would be a good time to do so.
Now the battery does not charge. No light on the adapter. If I press the button on the battery I get one flittering green LED. Works fine plugged in. Will be headed to apple store tomorrow.
December 26th, 2006 at 6:25 pm
My 9 month old black macbook is showing these symtoms after the firmware update and being plugged in for 2 days without any use. What a drag!!
Mark.
December 26th, 2006 at 8:54 pm
Same here, my 3 month old macbook wont work anymore on batteries and is showing the dreadful X.
Im really upset, because I’ll have to turn it back to my local store, where my macbook will certainly get formatted with all data lost.
Do you think I should remove my extra ram before turning it back ?
Eli
December 27th, 2006 at 1:20 am
my macbook core duo, 2Ghz just went out yesterday too. Exact same symptoms and occurred after a day in sleep mode. When I called Apple today, they said the problem which is a defect is indicated by a “red x” in the icon whereas mine is black. I think they just arent’ admitting its more than that yet because in the end he agreed that a battery going bad that soon is by definition defective and is sending me a replacement. He asked me to if I had “drained it all the way two days in a row” which I hadn’t. Their computers were REAL slow today, took forever to have this conversation.
December 27th, 2006 at 4:38 pm
My Macbook core duo, 2GHz has exactly the same problem: battery not recognised with a black cross in the battery symbol. All the steps such as resetting PMU etc proposed don’t work. There is a single green blinky light coming on when I check the battery status and the power cable light is green all the time. When I disconnect the power cable the computer dies right away. I’m non-technical by nature, but I’ve noticed that the PB will often drain the battery very quickly even when supposedly “asleep” (both with the lid down and up). On this occasion I had been doing a bit of computing with the laptop not connected and then put it to sleep. When I connected it up the next day it wouldn’t recognise the battery. Otherwise, the battery was quite well behaved and worked fine. Very strange! For luz, who has made some really interesting observations above, yes, I was using my computer on top of a blanket, so maybe I’ve damaged the battery somehow with static…
December 28th, 2006 at 3:04 am
fucking machine… and they said applea was so good… why in the hell did I ever change from windows, to experience the same shitty service from apple
December 29th, 2006 at 6:33 pm
Unfortunately this happened to my Macbook as well. I let the charge drop down to until the machine hibernated, left it unplugged overnight and voila, the battery won’t charge. Called applecare and they’re sending me a new battery. Lets see if the new battery dies as well. The support person claimed the issue is most likely with the battery but I have my doubts.
December 31st, 2006 at 9:23 pm
My battery is behaving exactly as you describe. i bought this white macbook in April as well. my local apple store techs are a joy to work with, but I for sure back up to my x drive before taking it in for service tomorrow. I’ve been an Apple user for over 20 yrs & sometimes I get frustrated with them but still better than a pee cee.
December 31st, 2006 at 9:26 pm
Forgot to say that I too installed the new firmware and the problem started after that. I read on one site that replacing battery is temp fix and the Black X returned after only 2 weeks on the new battery.
January 1st, 2007 at 4:22 pm
Same problem here. Black macbook, battery shows the X after my computer was sleeping for the weekend. Normally this was not a problem since the macbbook would go into hybernation. Now my battery seems dead.
January 2nd, 2007 at 3:55 pm
I started having odd symptoms for about 2 days. My macbook would not wake up from sleep mode. Then this morning, it would not start up at all. The charger indicated that the battery was fully charged with the green light. I finally had to pop the battery out and start it up without it. I shut the macbook down, reinstalled my battery (checked the battery charged light…it’s surprisingly FULL) and tried to start up…no go. Had to put my charger to start and now…blah blah…black X over the battery…installed firmware several months ago. Same issue a few motnhs ago. Apple sent me a new battery. I guess this will be my second. They denied that firmware had anything to do with it but I noticed issues after I installed it. I guess it would have been better to leave well enough alone.
January 2nd, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Oh…and now my “stupid” fan will not shut off…
January 2nd, 2007 at 5:56 pm
Same thing just happened to me this morning. Had been using my MacBook Pro on a lapboard and then on a leather ottoman. Put it to sleep last night, this morning it’s deader than a doornail; only works with the power adapter. I’ve got that awful black X.
I switched to Apple after years of frustration with Windows. I’m not computer savvy, and thought this would be easier. Not the first glitch I’ve encountered (includes things like iPhoto shutting down when I’m editing photos). Disappointing, but I still love my MacBook Pro.
January 3rd, 2007 at 1:07 am
Same with me, on vacation watching a DVD while going to bed (as done many times before, prior to the update). Black x and green light on the charger. Making an appointment at the apple store tomorrow morning. Hopefully it will be a hit and run.
We’ll see.
Macbook 2.0
January 3rd, 2007 at 10:29 am
Will-Good luck with the replacement. I must say, Apple have been very helpful. I phoned them yesterday, and I’ve got the new battery this morning. It works fine so far, and they don’t even want the old battery back. So, I’m not going to allow my computer to be disconnected from mains electricity for more than a few hours at a time. I think the lesson here is that once the battery runs down too low it’s a goner. I have real problems with the computer not actually going to sleep as well sometimes. It seems to drain the battery even when it appears to be sleeping, there are definitely some unresolved power-use issues with these machines. If anyone finds a way to resuscitate the “dead” batteries I’d love to know. It’s practically new (April ‘06), and I’m sure it’s fine, just something wrong with the control unit.
January 4th, 2007 at 10:52 pm
Please anyone can tell me where can I claim my Record Time Prize? I bougth a MB tired of logic board issues with my 5 months old iBook G4, and in just the FIRST WEEK the MB don’t recognize the battery!!! Is that fast or what?
January 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pm
Phil - Note that the “black X” has most probably NOTHING to do with the battery cells actually drained or defective. According to my extended research (including opening and measuring one of my “dead” batteries - see comment above - and finding the battery cells are FULLY OK), the problem is entirely in the battery electronics, which refuses to charge or discharge the battery (yes, it has a switch inside the battery to do that!).
So not allowing the battery to discharge IMHO does not help - on the contrary, it prevents that the battery can calibrate itself, and can also lead to strange battery behaviour (but can be recovered - ask google).
The reason for this to happen is still unclear - two possible explanations are the “firmware theory” (as suggested by the starter of this thread), which means that due to a firmware bug in the MacBook(Pro) the battery is inadvertedly brought into that “dead” state by reprogramming. My own observation - two of my batteries went dead after using the machine on wool fabric and synthetic carpet - leads me to think it could be a problem of electrostatic discharge (ESD) actually frying the battery electronics.
January 9th, 2007 at 7:15 am
Something very similar happened to my MBP right after I applied the SMC firmware update. I, too, waited til the holiday break. Figured that would be a good time to assume some risk. I was right. Ever since the SMC update, my MBP has failed to run off the battery.
BIG DIFFERENCE: the battery icon shows 100%, and the green LEDs on the battery itself agree: the battery says its charged.
As soon as I yank the power adapter: instant death.
January 10th, 2007 at 4:22 am
well, count me in too… black MacBook is showing the X and no battery available, it doesn’t charge and power cord LED is green. Man I love this computer but Apple really screwed up testing this thing… I had the heat sink replaced a couple months ago for the random shutdown problem and it looks like it needs to go back. For the record, I also installed the latest firmware update a few weeks ago.
January 10th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
I was having the random shutdown problem, so I installed the firmware update. Then I accidentally left the computer in hibernate for a week. Now I too have no battery (and the “black x). SInce I live in an African city where the electricity often shuts off without warning, and where I have no easy way of getting a new battery, I have a big problem. And if this is the computer, and not the battery, I’m basically out of luck till I come back to the U.S. I bought AppleCare when I bought the computer, but I’m not sure how to call it.
The macbook was really the wrong computer to buy for my year abroad. Not only have I had “random shutdown,” and “dead battery,” I’ve also had a problem with the audio. The red light (laser, I guess) on the headphone jack stays on, and the speakers don’t work. I’ve found out that other people have the same problem and its a hardware issue.
My macbook was made in the 20th week of production. I guess I am paying big for being an early adopter. Or else it really is a lemon.
January 20th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
We had the dreaded X no battery failure after one month. Rang the supposedly helpful Apple helpline - ha ha- and was directed to take it to a store 30 miles away. Insisted on a replacement battery and was told they would only replace if I gave them a Visa card with the cost of the new battery (in case I ran off with the faulty one.) After care stinks.
January 24th, 2007 at 9:17 pm
Possible solution. The Pins that the battery connects to inside the macbook have a small wire going to the motherboard. This connection can get very loose, as its just a plug and not soldered. I fixed a macbook by simply putting blu-tac on this to hold it. This fixed my - no battery - random shutdown- shutdown on movement problems completely.
January 25th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
First and foremost:I’m a PC/WIN/LINUX user, not affiliated to MAC/apple, but an electronic hardware developer. IF “Luz on December 18th, 2006″ is right, and BQ20Z80 is used in fact in your batteries, then this CAN be the cause of your troubles,but no one will publicly admit and disclose the secret! Specially not TI, the manufacturer of this chip. TI says:Apple and DELL are using this in millions there is no problem! During my latest development I had access to development tools and so I was able to look deeper into the “log-files” of MY Li-Ion packs. Yes they record a few things about the packs usage for later inspection! (And every manufacturer has access to this data when batteries are returned). Though ESD problems and excessive heat can also contribute and to be to blame for your stories, there is plenty evidence that under certain circumstances the self learning algorithm of this chip goes crazy and does cut the packs power outlet, INDEPENDENT of the actual remaining capacity! If the host (in your case the MAC) ignores the advance notice, then this will look like an immediate shutdown (power failure) and it is NOT recoverable by the user! I saw packs doing it after 5 cycles, other were running ok until 40 cycles. Under good circumstances Li-Ion packs can be expected to easily undergo 500 cycles. I write this after having successfully sidesteped BQ20Z80.
And believe me: there are trouble-free running packs with exactly BQ20Z80 chip out there. But they have possibly other firmware than yours …
February 3rd, 2007 at 2:23 am
Same black X here just moments after “updating” the firmware “fix”.
Friggen frustrating. Fan will not shut off. no indication
whether the plug in is working or not.
Tried re-installing OSX, restart with PRaltapple, etc.
nothing works.
crap.
Does the battery reset itself or is it really burnt out.
?
bummed.
February 3rd, 2007 at 4:06 am
FIXED IT!!!
Made sure to update the OS to version 10.4.8
and then ran the firmware restart program as directed here:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macbooksmcfirmwareupdate11.html
and Voila! my fan turned off, the charger works again
and my battery shows that its charging again.
yay! HOPE THIS HELPS!
I will report any further problems…
good luck.
February 9th, 2007 at 10:29 am
The same issue here.
Black X on Macbook C2D bought in mid November in US appeared after 4 weeks of usage. I had to wait for 5 weeks to get a replacement battery because Apple support in Slovakia is very limited. The replacement battery died only after 1 week of usage.
This sucks!
February 12th, 2007 at 9:39 am
wellstoner, what do you mean by firmware ‘restart’? I already have SMC 1.1 so the OS just says, you dont need this update.
I already had to leave my macbook in to the store for 3 weeks - they wouldn’t just replace the battery. I’ve had it back for a month and now the new battery is fried! same problem - little black x, green light always on on the charger. arg!!
I do often leave my macbook on at night for music - so the battery is completely discharging.
February 12th, 2007 at 9:54 pm
Black 13″ Macbook(not pro) bought in June was having the same problem. I reset the PMU and RAM but no good. The firmware and software is all up to date as well.
The battery ran down, and I left it in sleep mode overnight, which I had done multiple times. Stuff I’ve seen online says the batteries have a minimum charge, and when it gets under that it’s kaput. Anyway called Apple, they had me check a few things to make sure that it was in fact the battery (shows not installed in system profiler, power section). They’re sending me a replacement that’ll be here in 3 days. All Apple hardware is warrantied for a year, 3 if you bought the Applecare plan.
Anyways, looks like apple recognizes the problem and will be more than happy to send replacement batteries out.
Good luck everybody!
February 12th, 2007 at 9:58 pm
Oh yeah.. I asked the Apple people on the phone, and the official answer was, “A firmware update affecting the battery hardware is very unlikely.” and “It’s just a problem we’ve been having with some of our battery models.”
Take it as you will.. I’m just glad I’m getting a new one for free.
February 16th, 2007 at 10:01 pm
Had the same overnight sleep problem - 30 minutes wait in line for the genius and got a new Battery - no questions asked… (this could happen to anyone!)
Apple we love you!
February 21st, 2007 at 3:24 am
Just add me to the list, in case someone is counting…
February 21st, 2007 at 4:08 am
By the way, updating the to 10.4.8 and installing the latest firmware did not help.
March 6th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
I started experienceing the same problem with my MacBook. I was watching a movie, the battery went low, I shut the lid and it went to sleep. I plugged it in the next day to charge it. When the green light indicated it was fully charged I packed it in my bag, tried to use it while travelling on the bus and it wouldn’t turn on. When I got home and plugged it in an x showed up in my battery indicator. I have all the latest firmware updates installed on my computer.
March 6th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Wow, what a consolation i am not alone!
The macbook pro 2.33 of my wife goes with the dedly “X” after 1 month of life.
The sympthoms are the same as yours: it shuts down unless the battiry is indicating 50%/100% of charge. Yesterday it simply unrecognizes the battery.
My wife have made a firmware upgrade 2 weeks ago, and since then she noticed a pooer battery performance…
Now the Apple Support are sending me a new battery with no fee, but now, if we are out for holiday, i remove the battery from the macbook.
March 6th, 2007 at 8:56 pm
Same problem: black X on the battery icon and green light in the charger end. All after I run out of battery during my holidays and because I forgot my charger I left swicht off the MB till I reach home. When I conected the charger the ligth was green and the X on the battery icon was all the time.
I am a swichter and I can’t understand as many problems I am having with apple. I also bought a Migty mouse and the second button (right button) doesn’t work after a time of use.
Was’t it Apple more expensive because you are buying the best in technology and desing?. I don’t know if it’s worthy.
March 9th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
Follow-up on my Macbook problems.
1. Random Shutdown. I installed the firmware fix a few months ago, and the Macbook hasn’t randomly shut down since.
2. Dead battery with black “x.” I bought a new battery from Amazon.com, and it seems to be working. I have Applecare, but I’m living abroad and Apple wouldn’t send me a new battery unless I sent the dead one back, which would have taken forever.
I’m worried about what will happen if I let the new battery run down for recalibration purposes. Probably wait till I get back to the States to recalibrate.
3. Speakers not working–red light always on in the audio out port. This is an intermittent problem that isn’t happening right now. Has something to do with whether or not the Macbook senses a plug being removed.
A lot went wrong with this computer, but it seems to be working OK now, knock on wood. The white case looks increasingly grimy, unfortunately.
March 11th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
My battery wot accept any charge and the computer only runs on AC power. This happened about 1 day after the Autoupdate. Thanks Apple!
March 11th, 2007 at 8:10 pm
Marcelino, the extra cost is not for the best in technology and design. It is because of the decision by Apple to maintain a monopoly on the OS and avoid competition from other hardware manufacturers. Mac OS was better than the unstable and extremely hackable 16 bit versions of Windows. WinXP (32 bit) was a huge step forward for reliability and became much more secure with SP2. With the more secure architecture and added security features of Vista (coupled with deteriorating Mac hardware quality), the situation is overtaking Apple fast.
March 12th, 2007 at 3:13 pm
After having RSS for several weeks on my black MacBook, RSS stopped on ocurring on its own without having to take it back to the dealer for a fan and heat shield replacement. The only thing I noticed that the fan works now unlike before when I would see the temperature rising to 90 C and the fan would refuse to kick in.
Now for the bad news…
I got the dreaded “X” on battery symbol tonight. Only thing that happened was not to use it over the weekend.
This really sucks…
March 12th, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Black Macbook, First Gen, Core Duo.
Dreaded “X” - No batteries available. Genius bar said that they need to replace not just the battery, but the battery “Connector” inside the macbook too, just to be “sure”. The said this even though the macbook fired up fine with a new battery, which we tested while I was in the Apple store.
Hmmmm. 5 day wait for the replacement of the battery connector and the battery….
Damn.
March 13th, 2007 at 12:01 am
I had the same problem on my MacBook 2 Ghz — happened over thanksgiving and when I applied the firmware update.
March 22nd, 2007 at 10:06 am
I’ve just experienced the “No batteries available” problem with what appears to be a fully charged battery in my 4 month old Mac Book Pro 15 inch. The indicator on the battery iteself is showing a full five leds. But the MBP is refusing to recognize it. Two PMU and NVRAM resets have failed to resolve the problem.
The problem started with the machine instantly shutting down any time it was unplugged. At that point the MBP could still see the battery and was claiming it was fully charged. However, the PMU / NVRAM resets appear to have pushed it over the edge and the battery is now not even seen.
The rapid onset of the problem and the anecdotal evidence in other posts above has me convinced that its the embedded battery management unit in the battery that’s to blame.
I’ve called Apple and they are sending me a new battery. It seems to be a well known problem - as soon as they heard the symptoms they offered me a replacement.
I speculate that the it’s a controller lockup within the battery that causes the problem. Unfortunately, there appears to be
no way to unlock it again, because the controller is permanently connected to the battery cells.
However, I did some Googling and was able to find the technical docs for the embedded TI battery controller used in these batteries. The pin outs show a master reset pin on the chip package that resets the controller when it is held TTL high. I’d give good odds that tripping that reset would unlock (reboot) the controller and thus ‘revive’ batteries that are afflicted with the problem.
Has anyone tried this? I’m no battery or electronics expert and am reluctant to break into a sealed unit, but maybe someone who is familiar with the TI “gas guage” controller in question could confirm the theory?
BTW, I’m *not* recommending that people go poking around inside their battery packs. Li-Ion batteries are complex and potentially dangerous when messed with. They react very badly to shorts and the electronics are there to keep the batteries within their safe limits. I’m merely speculating that the batteries may in fact be recoverable, by someone who knows what they are doing.
Thoughts?
Regards,
TB
April 1st, 2007 at 9:21 am
Installed firmware update three days ago and now I have the dreaded “x”. Thanks for all of your comments. I don’t feel quite so alone and it sounds as though a new battery will solve the problem.
April 3rd, 2007 at 2:24 pm
TB: I too got the datasheet from TI for the battery controllers in the hope that resetting the chip would help. It does not (at least in my case). I measured all the status signals to find what could be wrong, but IMHO the chip thinks everything’s fine, otherwise it would show an error pattern on the LEDs.
However, it still does not enable the FET switches to power the Mac.
And in addition, there’s a fuse chip on the battery that is actively blown by auxiliary electronics (not the main controller chip) in case of emergency such as overvoltage. In my case, this fuse was blown, so even if the controller decided to switch on again it would not have helped.
But having seen PTR’s comment above about his experience with the BQ20Z80 as a hardware developer, I think that there really is/was a nasty problem in the HW/FW of some of these batteries that is beyond our control.
The fact that my 4th battery is now running fine for more than 3 months (knock wood) lets me hope that they found and fixed the problem in newer batteries. I’ll be here again if not…
April 7th, 2007 at 7:49 am
Add another to the list.
I’ve already had one battery replaced (why Apple keeps claiming this is a battery problem is simply beyond me other than they’d have to take a major hit for replacing MacBooks with the problem) for the mystery X problem — and the same thing after leaving it on and falling asleep last night… “X” in the battery indication, and green power LED when connected to the charger.
This is on Battery #2, replaced less than a couple of months ago. The problem is definitely in the laptop itself, which already went back to Apple Repair for the early screen/controller board problems — rainbow stripes on the screen, dead LCD driver. When it came back from that trip, the lid squeaks like it’s not put back together correctly, and one of the bottom screws isn’t fully flush with the bottom of the case.
This is hardware replacement/repair #4 for the MacBook — the first one was returned in the first 14 days after a complete power-up failure 3 hours into owning it. MacBook #2 has now had the LCD problem and a trip to Apple, and this will be battery #2 tomorrow at the Genius Bar.
What a disappointment this machine has been, for a large amount of money compared to similar PC hardware. Love the OS, hate the hardware.
April 7th, 2007 at 8:09 am
[...] Here’s an example of what people have been through with this problem. This particular forum debates a lot about the real cause of the problem, but it would appear that the MacBook itself is at fault, not the battery. [...]
April 7th, 2007 at 9:53 pm
Add my name to the list
I left my MacBook Rev A asleep for two days, disconnected from its power surge. Today I connected the power surge and I was surprised to see the green light. I switched on the Mac and I got the “X” and “no batteries available”, sigh!
I am going to take my battery to my local Apple store…
April 8th, 2007 at 5:57 pm
[...] A short googling brought that this is a common - common phenomenon, and it happens under perfectly normal use, the macbooks (and pros) simply let the battery discharge to a point of no return, killing the battery. [...]
April 9th, 2007 at 7:36 pm
same problem here … been through two batteries on my Macbook now. it also seems to be gradually falling apart … i’m noticing a number of other smaller problems, such as failure of the isight camera and strange loud noises from the hard disk when it boots or wakes up …
April 10th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Yep, same problem here…just happened yesterday.
Went away for the weekend and left my black macbook closed on my desk with about 1% charge…it must have drained the rest of the way over the weekend and then passed into the zone of refusing to be recharged. I have a black x on my batter indicator, the magsafe poweradaptor is constantly green and I only get one flashing light on the battery.
This has got to be one of the stupidest -yet easily detected during pre-engineering testing- mistakes I’ve seen Apple make.
I’ve hear from lots of people now that you can practically walk into any apple store, tell them the story and before you even finish it they’ll just hand you a brand new battery.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Add me to the list…TWICE! I bought two units, a basic white Macbook for a family member and a black Macbook for myself. The white model’s battery went dead with the dreaded X and will not start without the power adaptor. I believe she has contacted Apple but I haven’t heard the details.
Fast forward a month and tonight my black Macbook just went dead! I had checked iStat Pro last night and had 100% health with 86 Cycles. The battery was only 1/2 way used tonight when it died…now it says 68% Health! Something really went wrong.
I don’t have the X across the battery indicator (yet) but if I pull the power adaptor the machine dies. What REALLY gets me is that I’m in Sweden right now and won’t be by an Apple store until June! Any suggestions? Thanks.
April 12th, 2007 at 3:17 am
I’m back, second time happening….4months later. Will let you know what they say!
April 12th, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Well, second time happening for me too. The first time was within my 90 day phone support, and I was really pleased with how they handled it, I got the new battery two days later. But this time, they want to charge me $50 just to talk to them. There’s no Apple Authorized whatever anywhere near where I live. Now I’m worried that even if I get this next one for free, in a month and a half I’m passed my 1 year hardware warranty. So basically, I have little choice but to fork out another $400, which is 1/4 of what I paid originally, in order to get the AppleCare plan, because they sold me a lemon and won’t fix the real problem. I have to say I’m really not impressed. My reasonably priced laptop has suddenly become pretty unreasonable.
April 13th, 2007 at 4:35 pm
Exactly the same problems here. I upgraded my BIOS (yes BIOS, i’m using a ASUS laptop but with similar hardware like a MacBook Core Duo Yonah, intel 945 chipset, etc. Anyways i also have an iMac 20 inch so let me join the macusers club
)
How did happen:
- my laptop was on batteries & 40GB 4th Gen was connected via USB for a file tranfer (quite important, I think)
- laptop crashed - first display turned off - then i have to unplug, etc… and from that moment my battery died.
- Windows and other software reported my battery 85% charged - but my laptop won’t start for even 2 seconds without the AC adapter
Warranty:
I send back my battery to the place of purchase (Torino - Italy, i live in Romania), but they said won’t change it without the whole computer…:-|
When finnaly i send my laptop away - it was not covered by warranty anymore - they say the battery is covered for only 6 monts. (altough Asus says one year)
Now:
- My battery is completely dischared - 0% repored by Windows (and that controller did not reset, like Luz expected)
- Some times battery led indicates charging - sometimes not, some time is flashing (battery problems)
April 14th, 2007 at 7:05 pm
I really don’t feel like reading the entire thread, but I just wanted to add that my Macbook’s battery died BEFORE I downloaded the firmware update.
April 15th, 2007 at 6:06 am
I had the problem with the Macbook not charging or recognizing the batter. I got a new battery from Apple as the machine is 8 months old and downloaded coconutBattery. What I find is that when I have the Mac plugged in to the AC it runs fine. As soon as I unplug the Magsafe it shuts off. When I remove the battery after having it plugged in to the AC, coconutBattery shows that the battery is charging for about 15 seconds. Then, every time it changes and shows that the battery is not charging at all. The problem seems to be something other than the battery. HELP!!
April 15th, 2007 at 5:13 pm
Anyone getting the feeling that Apple’s way of making progress is to beta test on its customers
…
April 17th, 2007 at 4:30 am
Add me to the list. Got home from a business trip where I let the battery run completely out. Plugged it in when I got home only to find the Black X of Battery Death…
8 months into my Macbook, hopefully Apple will replace.
April 17th, 2007 at 8:50 am
Hi all,
please add me to the list!!
I bought the black MacBook on last Wednsday from the brand new Apple Store in Rome and my battery NEVER charged since then!
I NEVER could get it to work without the AC adapter plugged in.
Sorry Apple guys but I’ve always been a Windows user before and NEVER EVER had similar problems with any crapy cheap Windows machine before. It is not an Intel related issue…it is an Apple MAJOR PROBLEM.
It doesn’t help replacing the battery every time.
What will happen when the warranty expires and we have to buy every time a new battery?
DO WE ALL HAVE TO BUY APPLE CARE FOR THIS?!
So the price is actually around 300€ more than the list price…
BAD MOVE APPLE, REALLY A BAD MOVE!!
April 17th, 2007 at 10:17 pm
Really, this would hapen to any laptop if the battery died.
The warranty on the battery is one year(regardless of APP status) - about the length of time it takes for the average notebok battery to start showing it’s age.
Solution to our problem:
Don’t discharge your battery all the way. Ever. If you do it will kill the battery. Period. So if you’re on your third battery, stop discarging.
If you have, and you are within the one year period, call Apple and get a swap. If you are out of warranty, call Apple and buy a new battery.
Stop whining. Babies. I’m from the PC world, and let me tell you, we didn’t HAVE little Xs to tell us our battry was dead…. noooooo. We had to wait ’till the hamster finally fell off it’s wheel befoe we could even begin to troublshoot that crap.
April 19th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
same problem here, was having random shut down. that wasn’t enough to send me in, but the total non-recoverable mechanical failure of my hard drive was. they did the firmware update and gave me a new hard drive.
then my computer would shut down with no warning whenever it got to about 30% battery charge.
then one time it said 100% charge, i took it off the power cord, 5 minutes later it had 0% charge, i plugged it back in and now it has the X. if i so much at look funny at the cord the computer shuts down.
i called hoping to get a new battery mailed to me [my macbook is about 9 months old, apple store is about 45 minutes away], but they just tried to sell me the applecare.
but now i’m concerned that the firmware update is going to continuously kill batteries.
i’ve heard that if you have 3 problems mac will give you a brand new computer. i feel like i have a lemon.
April 21st, 2007 at 5:13 am
hi same problem here
Does anybody have the solution for this, Apart from replacing the batteries…
thanx
April 27th, 2007 at 9:44 pm
Apple finally admits battery problem with various laptops…
http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/27/technology/bc.apple.batteries.reut/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote
Nate
April 29th, 2007 at 10:22 am
Add me to the list… had a white MP for 6 months and no problems - had the firmware update ages ago. Let the battery completely discharge yesterday for the first time - cross/green LED/no batteries available!
April 29th, 2007 at 10:24 am
… and I’m the 100th comment! Do I get a prize?
April 29th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
So it happened to me twice with one machine…I got in a large discussion about this issue and referenced this web site as proof that the issue existed. This was a week before the update above. I had to send in machine this time, and they sent it back with a new battery. They were pushing the applecare of course, which I did not bite. I was outside my phone help, but made them give me an exception. Apple handled this poorly, hopefully they will do as they say and support all of the out of warranty people, as well as refund the ones whom had to pay.
May 11th, 2007 at 3:58 am
man, this is SO disappointing. I was just in the apple store a week ago to fix my cracked top case (a common problem for a lot of people apparently) and as soon as I got it back my computer stopped recognizing the battery. So frustrating!!! This computer was so expensive, and to have this many issues with it is really unacceptable. If they’re going to charge this much for an electronic device, it really should work better. Apple is really bumming me out
May 16th, 2007 at 1:03 pm
Man, same thing! Let it run down, now no battery recognised. I’ve had this macbook less than two months and saved up a hell of a lot longer than that to get it. I was so proud to own my first mac having spent years working on them and dissing pc’s.
Right then, off to the shop tomorrow I suppose.
Just wanted to say thanks for posts/forum, have confirmed I’m not daft.
Cheers
June 2nd, 2007 at 5:53 am
I have a slightly different problem, my Macbook will only run if the battery has charge and won’t run off the power adapter alone, also the battery takes around 24 hours to reach 30% from dead, has anyone else seen this problem?
June 29th, 2007 at 8:45 pm
Left my new (less than 2 months old) 13″ Macbook to sleep for a week, when I tried to wake it up I also got the dreaded X on the battery. Resetting the PMU didn’t help.
February 10th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
my mac books ethernet port died almost 4 months after having my mac book. now after a year and a half my batter is doing the “X” thing to me. It really pisses me off how mac’s new model is so shitty. I was expecting better things from the new mac book. not a piece of shit that would die as soon as my warrenty died…. Now i’m scared to upgrade my ram seeing as my computer will just heat up more than it already does…
June 16th, 2008 at 8:18 am
And here I am checking out reviews because I’m considering buying a MacBook in a week’s time!
I really hope Apple have sorted this problem by now, seeing as it’s been an issue since way back when the MacBook first arrived on the scene. I live in Russia and am only popping back to the UK for a couple days. I have to buy my machine from the UK for business reasons, so the last thing I want is a defective, yet apparently brand new UK machine.
Funny. The only reason I’m considering a MacBook is because my iBook died last week (I think I killed it with a surge from the erratic Russian power supply!) and now it is similar to what Mick says: “…won’t run off the power adapter alone”. But I haven’t tried charging it for 24 hrs though, just assumed the motherboard was wiped out as tech dude told me. So charging it now, and may not have to risk a dodgy MacBook after all!
Having said that….anybody bought a MacBook recently, and still had the dreaded X?
July 17th, 2008 at 3:55 am
I’ve got a macbook which is around 9 months old. The infamous “X” with no batteries available seems to haunt everyone in this thread including me.
As one of the posters mentioned. I think it has to do with keeping your laptop ontop of your bed, wool, cotton. In my case, i had my macbook in a transparent hard plastic cover, which naturally and exponentially heats up after putting it ontop of the above mentioned materials. The problem is that i left my MB on sleep mode and left it overnight. I woke up and turned on the computer with the dreaded “X” and “No batteries available”
Solution?
New battery!
Ive tried everything from resetting the NVRAM and PMU, to praying and begging spiritual forces to divinely revive my battery..
Nothing works except for a battery replacement..
So far 2 months without any problems..
Enjoy!
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